Comments on: Casuals do most of the living and dying in this game, is it too much to have them live and die in a couple of decent epics? https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/ Hello. I see you. Tue, 28 Feb 2017 12:33:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.1 By: John III https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/comment-page-1/#comment-62664 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:17:18 +0000 https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/#comment-62664 My favorite response to all of the hardcores is quite simple.

If you are the top 1% of the game, the best of the best, then you have pushed yourself UP OUT OF IMPORTANCE.

If the top 1% of players bitch and moan the loudest and quit, do you think Blizzard cares about a 1% drop in monthly revenue? Thats all you are to them. Do you think Blizzard cares about the 99% of their revenue from casuals?

Welcome to economics 101. you priced yourselves out of the market!

]]> By: Nicole https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/comment-page-1/#comment-57795 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:27:34 +0000 https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/#comment-57795 Wow, these people need to chill out.

It’s a COMPUTER GAME.

]]> By: Balerion https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/comment-page-1/#comment-57297 Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:15:49 +0000 https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/#comment-57297 Great post. I don’t miss hardcore gaming in Everquest. I can manage to run a couple 25 man raids each week and actually have a social life outside of the game now. I know that means I won’t be first to have the finest gear and I accept that.

All that being said, Blizzard is careful to release the casually obtained yet comparable gear quite a while after the hardcore folks have had a shot at it. Still, if I were the one who spent all that time and effort early on to obtain the goods, I wouldn’t be too happy… I guess I can just see both sides of it have raided hardcore in another game and now probably somewhere in the middle in WoW.

]]> By: wowpanda https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/comment-page-1/#comment-56383 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:43:21 +0000 https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/#comment-56383 Thank you this was one wonderfull story to enjoy on a cold Friday afternoon!

And what was this??
“Rogues should never be nerfed because we have so little in this world (of warcraft).”
Please!!! I got sapped and sapped and sappped*n by rogues in towers in AV, I am fully pissed and will kill any rogue 20 levels lower than me on sight!

]]> By: Oz https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/comment-page-1/#comment-56351 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:39:48 +0000 https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/#comment-56351 I think the contriversy about hardcore vs casual is getting sidelined with the pvp vs pve drama. Because you don’t have just two sides, you have 4 – it’s a quadrant thing now, right? You have casual pvpers and hardcore pvp, and casual raiders, and all the other instances of combos out there. WoW originally had one focus – make the game playable for everyone. Then as it grew, at the top end, you had to raid for good stuff (Ony/BWL/AQ/etc stuff was head and shoulders above anythign you could get non-raiding, and that’s fine – you could play the game with what you got otherwise, it was just easier with your raid gear.

Today, however, I can pvp my way to epicness, at a level that skews the RVR scale against raiders. Couple that with a lot of the class changes to the PVE game (and thus raiding) driven by PvP changes, and you get another level of anger from the hardcore raiders.

From my perspective, the game’s promise to be everything to everyone has become unmanagable, and they need to make a decision to make it more of a PvP game (which is where it is going) and lessen the PvE focus or stop tuning around PvP and enhance the PvE game. You cannot have both at the same time, successfully, for long.

]]> By: nordee https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/comment-page-1/#comment-56326 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:12:08 +0000 https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/#comment-56326 Wow is, and has always been about time spent, not skill. If you want to play something more skill based, roll a max level character in Guild Wars right after you set up your account.

]]> By: Zahrah https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/comment-page-1/#comment-56192 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:14:53 +0000 https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/#comment-56192 While I agree that effort should equal reward, and there has to be a reason why significant chunks of your life is dedicated to progression: to being better – but I think some of the complaining by casuals is that when they play they are then competing against hardcores that are because of efforts equiped out better, be it Herorics, or BG’s or on a PVP Sever,

and If they introduced purpose equipable Items Eg a Weapon you can only weild in a high end instance hardcores wouldnt want to progress there as much if they can’t use the reward – Another way to address this inequality and what Blizzard seem to be trying is the idea of a ‘prerolled Character’ with the new Arena tornements – apparently you have equal gear, and the test really is the person behind the toon, and not what you have equiped.

]]> By: Evilm https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/comment-page-1/#comment-56143 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:54:33 +0000 https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/#comment-56143 *edit* from a raid officer’s point of view

]]> By: Evilm https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/comment-page-1/#comment-56142 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:54:04 +0000 https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/#comment-56142 What makes raiding difficult is the people management. That’s what they should be rewarded for.

I think it’s much easier to coordinate/placate 2-10 people in heroics/arena teams/PvP than the 35-50 you need for a successful raiding guild.

]]> By: Laura https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/comment-page-1/#comment-55952 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:55:40 +0000 https://afkgamer.github.io/afkgamer-com/archives/2008/02/25/casuals-do-most-of-the-living-and-dying-in-this-game-is-it-too-much-to-have-them-live-and-die-in-a-couple-of-decent-epics/#comment-55952 “Of course, some people love raiding for raiding’s sake”

Rare and getting rarer. And easier as a member than as an officer imo.

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