I personally enjoyed the fact that I had to rep grind, and I had to complete relevant quests to do the dungeons.

As the dungenios increase in difficulty, as yuo clear each one you r characters improve to meet the diffculty levels of that particular dungein. Removing the key chain quests just means people with have half hearted attempts at the HIG END GAME dungeons to no avail.

So I actually think it was a bad idea. How is anyone expected to defeat archimonde if they have no chance of killing magtheridon, let alon Illidan.

A slight error I think, I beleive they should re-instate the key quests full time and ignore complaints of the quests chains

They fixed the consumables to a degree but you still need to go in with a decent amount of potions, bandages and have repair money. So raiding only 3 days a week turns into a 4th minimum of farming. A 4-night commitment to anything isn’t casual. Where is your “me” time – casual time? Day 5 and day 6? If you’re playing that much, you’re probably not casual. Raid casual perhaps, but not WOW casual.

We need to face the ugly truth…there is no casual raiding in WOW.

Part of ours was that our guild leader (the one responsible for leading us to this slow death) was a great Raid Leader prior to TBC who sucked at managing a guild. Part of the reason kara was “hard” was that everyone was starting to feel like it was work and that if we didn’t perform perfectly we would be “fired” This constant trying ot stay perfect had the effect of having us focus on OURSELVES more so than the entire raid and working as a team. It’s like the guy went crazy when he finally got the GM position and forgot how to be a raid leader.

All I can really say is that the game had lost all its “fun” due to the way he was trying to whip everyone in to a hardcore raider whether they wanted to be one or not. This caused quite a few of our more casual people to leave, and instead of addressing anything he kept it up for another couple of months and more left and when we FINALLY got together and the split happened there wasn’t enough of either side left to really keep the guild functioning. Now it limps along with maybe 10-15 consistent players (every day types)and about 20 others who are infrequent (once a week or less). I can’t bring myself to /gquit because i’ve been in the guild for around 2 yrs now (the only other one I have been in merged with this one about 1 month after I joined it) and it just sucks.

Ack that went on for longer than I intended.

I’m glad it’s over. Maybe at least some guilds that managed to hang on this long will be spared.

Wired has a great little post about how Voice Chat Can Really Kill the Mood on WoW.
There are a lot of folks who swear by Ventrilo, and of course raiding guilds won’t let you in without it. I’ve steadfastly refused to use it, for exactly on…

Hmmm… maybe all those reports regarding falling player activity and declining subscription numbers might be true.

I would say the next step is Karazhan raid cap raised to 15 players. ML, SSC and TK raid caps upped to 30? 35? 40?

kinda wish they wouldn’t go changing the game in the middle though. it feels like any accomplishments achieved after such nerfs will be forever asterisked.

But Random, our guild was pretty much like yours … we had cleared to twins in aq40 and cleared spiderwing in naxx as TBC come out. We weren’t hardcore we raided 3 hours and 4 days a week. But Kara was far from hard for us and cracking Grull/Mulgard post nerf patch was quite quickly done, and after a few days on Magtheridon after the nerf and he was on farm.

The only stumbling block was having to drag everyone through Karazhan and Gruul’s lair to progress which would have taken us months (and did for SSC which we are still struggling on the first boss :P) the requirements for Tempest Keep was just stupid imo. But gotta feel sorry for half my guild who have 75%-100% of the quests done for it now it’s basically all pointless.

(Fucking duh is fucking right.)