Epics for Tigole’s Mom!

January 31, 2006 by at 8:14 am • Filed Under Etc., Noteworthy 
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You’ve probably read last Saturday’s New York Times interview with Warcraft’s lead designer Tigole, known offline as Mrs. Kaplan’s son Jeff. (NYT link for those returning from a lost weekend)

A little background, if you don’t follow the gaming gossip rags as closely as you should, Tigole was an EQ catasser and behemoth guildleader of some note who joined Blizzard a few years back, worked his way through the ranks to lead designer, and is now pumping out endgame content.

Back to the NYT interview that Tigole really wishes he hadn’t done, here’s the salient paragraph:

Q. Why not just let casual players get rewards comparable to those from raids?

A. It would be almost impossible for us to do, and this is a philosophical decision. We need to put a structure in place for players where they feel that if they do more difficult encounters, they’ll get rewarded for it. As soon as we give more equal rewards across the board, for a lot of players it will diminish the accomplishment of killing something like Nefarian. My favorite times in the development cycle are when there are encounters that are close to being defeated but have not yet been beaten. It really creates a sense of awe among the players that there is something big and truly dangerous in the world. But it would be very disappointing if the items found on Nefarian were the same thing you could get in your nightly Stratholme run. [Stratholme is a much easier five-person dungeon.]

Cue a million forum posts and a dozen or more blog commentaries.

On Monday, Tigole responded to The Outcry, or what the raiders would refer to as The Whining:

While I appreciate the passion with which everyone is responding to the recent article in the New York Times, I think it’s important to clarify a few things:

The author of the article specifically wanted to discuss the raid game, so that’s what we talked about. We did briefly discuss some of the upcoming casual content, such as the new armor sets. But the focus of the article was Naxxramas, so that’s what we centered our conversation around. But please bear in mind, this isn’t the only content we’re working on. We’ve been working on all sorts of things ranging from casual level 60 quest improvements and armor sets, reviving Outdoor PvP, epic 10 man dungeons for the expansion, and various other improvements to the game.

While I understand that a certain audience would rather hear about more “casual” oriented content, I cannot force the hand of a journalist to skew his story. In fact, I think it’s pretty cool that someone who writes for a newspaper as esteemed as the New York Times shares a common interest with us as World of Warcraft players. It’s refreshing to talk to someone from the mainstream press who is intimate with the issues we face as players and developers of this game. It speaks to this community as a whole.

So I think it’s very important not to get up in arms over the fact that the article focused on part of the game that you might not necessarily be interested in. We’re definitely committed to supplying content for all audiences of this game . It’s not an argument as simple as “hardcore versus casual”, it goes way beyond that.

For the people who seem to be upset, you might find it encouraging that a big focus of patch 1.10 is supplying more content for casual, max-level players. While I cannot promise “the ultimate fix”, I can at least hope to show you guys that we’re working on making things better. I think it also needs to be mentioned, that players need to keep in mind that by railing against content that you don’t personally enjoy — whether it be raids, casual content or PvP — it won’t improve anything. In fact, it’s detrimental to our community. As a development team, we’re going to add content for everyone. Just because we might be adding PvP content in a certain patch, does not mean we’re forgetting about PvE players. What is helpful to us, is when you identify what you liked and want more of. But leading a crusade against something which other players enjoy nightly is counter-productive to everyone involved.

Moving right along, please keep in mind that there are two voices present in the article you are discussing. There are some direct quotes from me and then there’s the voice of the author of the article. I’ve seen numerous misquotes in these threads attributing the author’s words as my own. It’s very dangerous when you start to misquote someone. If you base your whole argument on a misquote, your argument doesn’t have much value to it other than to unjustly make someone look bad. The simple fact is, there’s nothing to argue here. We want to — and we’re going to — add more content for *everyone*.

Lastly, I’d like to clarify the misconception that I am new to this design staff and that’s the only reason we’re focusing on raid content. For those of you who didn’t know, I am one of the original designers on the game. My first project was to help co-design the quest system. I don’t think anyone can claim that the quest system is “too hardcore” or biased towards anyone type of player. I guess if you find zones like Westfall, Mulgore, Tirisfal Glades or Duskwood “too hardcore” than I stand guilty as charged. The original design vision of this game has remained intact. We focus on all aspects of this game — from casual content to raids to PvP to tradeskills to user interface. Nothing has changed.

To summarize, please remember that the author wanted to talk about raid content. So naturally that article focused on the raiding game. But we, as a development team, are focused on all play-styles. Rather than get upset at some of the personal insults I’ve seen over the weekend, I am actually flattered that the players of World of Warcraft have such passion for this game. I want you to know that I personally share your passion. We’ll do everything in our power to make sure that we can deliver content for everyone, not just a select few.

And later in the day, Tigole made up announced some of the non-raider content arriving with the next patch, 1.10:

We’ve been hard at work at Patch 1.10 and I’m excited to bring you a small sneak preview of some of the content. We’ll be offering a series of quests for maximum level players so they can obtain a really good, class-specific armor set. This should prove to be a great way for non-raiding players to upgrade their gear. Here are some highlights:

– Characters follow a new quest line to obtain an armor set
– The armor sets contain 4 rare and 4 epic pieces
– Some of the pieces can be obtained by soloing (including one of the epic pieces)
– The most difficult pieces to obtain require a UBRS level group
– We are adding new bosses to existing dungeons
– Some of the existing dungeons are being re-itemized

Lots of the better blogs have solid commentary on this whole discussion already, but I’d like to point out a few things that the newer people might not understand. I’ll have to do this bluntly too, because I don’t have a whole lot of time this morning.

1. (This point is becoming more and more obvious), the World of Warcraft endgame is moving ever closer to a state of EQness. If they announce the new alliance race in the expansion is dark elves, that will be your clue that this is a done deal.

2. There are two games in Warcraft, the game from level 1 through 59.9995 and the endgame, your life at level 60. Levels 1 – 59, happy happy joy joy skipping around the continents alone or with a small group of friends. Level 60, raid raid raid raid raid and on the offday(s), farm farm farm to pay the raid bills.

3. If you don’t like raiding (the 40-mans and to a lesser extent, the 20-mans) … let me reword that. If you won’t raid, ummm, the game is kinda over for you. There’s just not much here and maybe you should go do something else. That sounds harsh, and I do not agree that this is how it should be, but it is the truth.

4. I am a raider, I’m in a raiding guild, but like many raiders in raiding guilds, I don’t really LIKE raiding. It’s a huge pain in the ass. If there was an alternate means to grow our characters, many of us would take it. Therefore, I’m really puzzled why the more vocal raiders are so adamant that epic gear only be available in the 40-man zones. Who cares? I sure don’t.

5. I agree with the axiom … greater reward for greater effort. Unfortunately, it seems the only measure of greater effort seems to be greater time or greater pain in the ass. Almost seven years of MMOG raiding and this is the only idea that anyone has come up with — spend several consecutive hours coordinating a huge group of players.

6. Good news that the NPCs will eventually take over opening the Ahn’Queer gates for the slower servers. My own server’s efforts have completely broken down, which is actually quite entertaining.

First, the top guilds on both factions offered contests, similar to every other server … get free Molten Core gear if you win the lotto out of all the players turning in quest materials. My servermates said, “nah, not good enough. Learn2Bribe.” (HAHAHA, what whores we are.)

Then, the top guilds started calling out people in the other raiding guilds for selling quest materials on the AH at inflated prices. (again, whores.) They didn’t call me out, I have an Auction House alt. He’s now richer than God, thankyouverymuch.

The server contest prizes were expanded to be more attractive to the non-raiders. They remained disinterested and said, “Why should we care, this is for you not us.” The raiders said, “No No! There’s stuff for everyone to do in Ahn’Queer! You’ll like it!” The non-raiders, “meh.”

This weekend, the top Alliance guild, or DramaCentral as we like to call it, goes through YET ANOTHER disband, reform cycle, with the sceptor holder refusing to rejoin until his demands are met.

Needless to say, quest turnins have pretty much ground to a halt.

And that’s why the best quests and encounters are those that rip guilds apart and destroy inter-guild relations. Gives us something to talk about in Hour Three of Raid905.



Comments

16 Responses to “Epics for Tigole’s Mom!”

  1. Byron Ellacott on January 31st, 2006 4:13 pm

    1.10 sure sounds to me like an “OMG we fucked up” bandaid solution… but it’s better’n nothing. Of course, my guild’s also been large enough to raid ZG every weekend for the past couple of months, and will probably be large enough to start on MC soon. Yay, I get to pull teeth w/ the rest of y’all.

    As for the War Effort… I handed in as much runecloth as I could farm or buyout at low prices while the gettin’ was good, and now I’m on mageweave. Faction is my motivation. You can bet yer arse that I won’t be farming wool cloth or herbs, though — the NPCs or the raiders can do that crap. All WE farming closed down completely on Friday though.

    Lunar Festival coins, 50 rep a pop, more entertaining than farming mageweave at 52.5rep/stack or runecloth at 50/stack. 48 coins down, 2400 rep gained so far, only 10k left ’til Exalted now. I’ll go back to the WE when this well dries up, assuming the raiders haven’t finished off mageweave by then.

  2. illuminarc on February 1st, 2006 7:32 am

    If you won’t raid, ummm, the game is kinda over for you. There’s just not much here and maybe you should go do something else.

    There really needs to be a ‘You’ve Won Warcraft!’ screen so people get the hint. Maybe even a printable certificate (signed by Tigole).

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  4. Ripperjack on February 5th, 2006 5:19 pm

    BRING ON FALLEN EARTH I say.

    I have a gut-full of World of Farm/Raid/Gank/Nude-Night-Elf-Dancing Craft, and want something new DAMN IT!

  5. Jack on February 16th, 2006 11:18 pm

    I quit while I..

    1. logged in the game and hung around in ironforge for 5 mins found out nothing to do and then logged out for 10 straight days.

    2. I didn’t see anything I can do, even in the further patch.

    After reading NYT I was so sure I made the right decision.

    “It would be almost impossible for us to do”

  6. mibo on May 10th, 2006 7:45 pm

    you are horrible at what you do

  7. kargoth on June 11th, 2006 10:19 am

    I hate you tigole, i hope you fucking die, you ruined this game for us, by adding your dumbass little 40 man content you have closed off anyone else who wants to pvp or just do pve casually, i myself pvp,hard-fucking-core. and you, you fucking bitch, wont let me have my redone rank 14 items, lets see you get to rank 14 you fat fucking vagina. ITs harder than running a gay little fucking onyxia raid with ur buttplugg homies “fires of heaven” or whatever the fucking shit your gay fucking guil name is you son of a fucking buttplug cunt. I hope you die of fucking aids and ebola you fucking shitface. go fucking die.

  8. Foton on June 11th, 2006 11:52 am

    heh. I know a hardcore pvp horde named Korgath on my server. I hate that bastard … cuz he’s schooled me a few times. I’ve given him a lesson or two as well, but frankly, it’s probably gear wtfpwning him which proves your point amply.

    p.s. Tigole isn’t Fires of Heaven, that’s Furor. Tigole is from another EQ Glory Days guild, but … same diff.

  9. quitter on July 10th, 2006 9:02 pm

    Vote with your wallet and quit the game. Burn your copy if you must.

  10. Pougen on July 11th, 2006 10:59 am

    I hate you tigole, i hope you fucking die, you ruined this game for us, by adding your dumbass little 40 man content…

    LOL

    Nail. on. the. head.

    I can’t wait until all the millions of players who are new to MMOs (including me) find that next FUN game (that is right on the horizon), and promptly fuck right off without so much as a look over the shoulder.

    Blizzard: Your 16 y/o raid whores will not keep your company afloat, now that you have gotten used to the big money. Casual gamers (a.k.a. players with JOBS and LIVES) are your bread and butter. So best get your asses ready for the time when a true ROLEPLAYING game comes along.

  11. lol on July 9th, 2007 3:19 am

    You’re whining about a game. Get a life.

  12. celerie on July 10th, 2007 7:03 am

    um?
    you’re posting on a topic that’s been over for more than a year. get yourself one while you’re at it.

  13. Gev on July 10th, 2007 5:43 pm

    lol (poster), get a reading comprehension life.

  14. Random Poster on July 10th, 2007 6:15 pm

    I must have missed this one back in the day, but since it’s already been necro’d might as well comment on it looking back at what he said one year later.

    Still waiting for some of that casual stuff he mentioned aren’t we? 😀

    – Characters follow a new quest line to obtain an armor set

    hmmmm nope
    – The armor sets contain 4 rare and 4 epic pieces

    still nope
    – Some of the pieces can be obtained by soloing (including one of the epic pieces)

    nope again
    – The most difficult pieces to obtain require a UBRS level group

    ahahahahaha
    – We are adding new bosses to existing dungeons

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA
    – Some of the existing dungeons are being re-itemized

    And I just died.

  15. Gev on July 11th, 2007 1:56 pm

    Uhh, when did you play? All of those were added.

  16. Belittle on July 13th, 2007 11:25 am

    Wow. Random Poster is an idiot. Guys, this blog was posted before TBC. I thought casuals were actually happy now with the heroics, the 10 mans, the 25 mans, the daily quests, and arena only requiring 10 games a week.

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